Missing top end power 124 Spider on 44 IDF

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Abarthnorway - Remi L
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Missing top end power 124 Spider on 44 IDF

Post by Abarthnorway - Remi L »

Hi Guy!


Just built and installed a 2 liter block in a very nice 74 Spider:

10:1+ pistons
130 TC head - 36 mm parallel intake - 34 mm exhaust + valve + guide + seat mods
44 IDF - 36 chokes, F16, 145 mains, 180 air
Inlet cam billet - 10.45 true lift, 280 degrees, 2.5 lift TDC - timed 110
Exhaust cam 1608 - used but still OK I suppose (9.3 lift on lobes) - timed 110
Exhaust manifold 4-2 cast iron into 2-1 secondary pipes - (standard 1800 sport) - 2 " free flow system from manifold and back

The head was earlier used on a very worn low compression 1800 block with 40 IDF- 34 chokes and a milder C&B inlet cam. This engine revved happily to 7000 rpm with this setup.

With the new block/inlet cam/carbs I would expect the topend to have similar characteristics, but this engine seems to loose its response at approx 6500.

Any pointers??

Thanks


Best regards

Remi Lovhoiden


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Timed camshafts


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Engine on its way into the engine bay - the increased height of engine made numerous smaller problems.....


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Everything in place - inlet tracts well used Pipercross items - filter system will soon be fitted


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Head combustion chamber
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Re: Missing top end power 124 Spider on 44 IDF

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Given your back-to-back comparison it could easily be the ex cam that's now holding her back.

I'd try a billet ex cam with around 10mm FL actual and 2.5mm LATDC, aiming for better ram-charge and purging at higher rpm.

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Re: Missing top end power 124 Spider on 44 IDF

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Hi Guy!


Thanks for the advice - will have to test/adjust the car a bit more to rule out other "pitfalls". Will try to optimise what is already in place, and from that make a decision.

Keep up the good work.


Best regards

Remi Lovhoiden
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Re: Missing top end power 124 Spider on 44 IDF

Post by ace124 »

Remi,

Make sure you check ignition timing also if you have not after tuning carbs etc. I had a similar prob before i re did the timing after my rebuild. Now the car pulls right thru redline and above.

Good luck.
Let us know how you went.
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Re: Missing top end power 124 Spider on 44 IDF

Post by Abarthnorway - Remi L »

Hi all!


Problems disappeared as the ignition/carbs were exactly balanced/tuned.

With these spot on engine runs strong from as low as 2000 to 6500 +

Anyway thanks for inputs!:-)


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Remi Lovhoiden
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Re: Missing top end power 124 Spider on 44 IDF

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Remi!

Problems disappeared as the ignition/carbs were exactly balanced/tuned

You should not be driving it unless - the ignition/carbs were exactly balanced/tuned!

All readers please note!

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