1962 Fiat 600D advice to Abarth modifications

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1962 Fiat 600D advice to Abarth modifications

Postby Denver » Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:18 pm

First of all, hello everyone, I am a new member and this is my first post so I will say something about me, I am young (17 years old) and have very little experience but my father has a bigger experience as he had even a service where we both were working on cars, especially Italian , fiat/Alfa/Lancia , my father’s first car as a beginner in 1991 was a beautiful Fiat 131 Supermirafiori 1.6 TC , after that he had an accident with the 131 (unlit carriage at night) the engine was intact no damage so he bought a 131 diesel body with a body kit similar to the Abarth one and remade the car , after that he bought an 131 diesel break , a 131 diesel Berlina that had problems with the papers , scam car unfortunately so it went to the crusher.

After that my dad came with the car this topic is about , a dream Fiat 600 , two bad previous owners - instead of appreciating a car with such great history and age they used to carry cement and all kind of building materials , the car was running but in a pretty bad condition , it was reconditioned once by me and my dad unfortunately with low budget and lack of parts. The car had a long time to rest , it was kept about an year in a big garage where my dad worked an than my dad had to leave that place when he was bringing the car home a tire exploded , he left the car at a friend that was close to the incident , and bad luck struck twice , some guys tried to steal my car and with the tire flat they pulled her from the front right wheel arch and did a lot of damage to the paint , me and my dad urgently went to bring the car home , problems never end.
In the place I keep the car parked there is a tree with fruits and kids climbed up and bent my ceiling , solved the ceiling but paint problems again!. Now the car`s sleep is about to end as summer vacation is just an week close, I will find a job this summer but I will make time for the car.
I am sorry if my little story is to long but I think a short history would not hurt.
I need some parts, pressure plate, first and second gear.

I need some advice because I talked to my father and decided to make some modifications as the Abarth has, eg: back wheel arch , but not as big as at the Abarth , change the 12 wheels with 13 ones , or just 12 but different , something racing retro , move the radiator on the front , some engine modifications , tractions parts , brake parts , at the engine modifications I want to raise hp but make life easier for it .

I want if it is possible to see how a original fiat 600 Abarth is made, a few pictures and data, I want to know more about the 600 Abarth , what options I have on low budget so it will take time. After school ends I will make more photos of the car and the problems described , but I started the topic to get opinions of what I can and can not do to it .


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Excuse the quality , I have no digital camera and my good phone was in service , as I said I will make more exact photos of the car, but this topic will help me and my father to decide exactly what to do to the car .

I am sorry Guy if I have gramatical errors , I used a dictionary and got some help from a friend so I hope my post is ok .

A good day to you all .


Alex P.

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Re: 1962 Fiat 600D advice to abarth modifications

Postby Guy Croft » Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:44 pm

Alex, hi

sorry but I am no expert on those 'baby' Fiats, but my friend Tony Castle-Miller is, check out his website at:

http://www.racecar.co.uk/mbg

Tony is as close to a world-expert on them as you will find anywhere.

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Re: 1962 Fiat 600D advice to abarth modifications

Postby Denver » Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:56 am

Thank you sir , but one more question , someone recomended me to do an engine swap , the ohv engine from fiat 127 , it is the same engine but more power , maybe you know more about the 127 , i am asking you this specialy because in the future when i have enough money i plan to make a racing 127 to participate with it(rally not track) , more precise to mout an fiat 1.6 TC in it and with some parts maybe rise it to 180 - 200 hp , what`s the best body for this , 127 series 1 , series 2 or series 3 ?
And i am asking for a friend , do you know what compressor works on mercedes e280 (2800 V6) ?


Have a nice day

Alex.P

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Re: 1962 Fiat 600D advice to abarth modifications

Postby Guy Croft » Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:50 am

Alex, hi

Twincams, superchargers, no.. keep it simple, your budget will be exhausted quickly enough! You need to get experience of conversions and tuning first. I like the conversion very much shown at:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=395

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Re: 1962 Fiat 600D advice to abarth modifications

Postby Denver » Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:08 pm

Sorry for the delay GC, I had a exam at my school and just started driving school 2 weeks ago ... so I'm low on time , the supercharger question was for a friend on his Mercedes. As for me, the plan with the 127 with 1.6 TC engine is just a future idea , that conversion of the 500 is pretty complicated , I like to be more classic and the ohv engine from 127 is perfect , 50 hp, a few modifications to raise it and that`s it , after that my Dad plans to change some things at the traction as the Abarth has , but he never saw a 600 Abarth so we don`t really know how the Abarth is... I do need to get experience of conversions and tuning , I found allot of interesting things here , I`ll learn by the time

have a nice day
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Re: 1962 Fiat 600D advice to abarth modifications

Postby Denver » Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:22 pm

Hello mister Guy :D it`s a live project again , money problems and a big break up put me down for a long time , now im up again and ready to reborn the little fiat , i have a dead line so i wont be posting allot but still , the car i hope will be ready for a show here in Romania , good day to you all
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Re: 1962 Fiat 600D advice to Abarth modifications

Postby unomas » Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:04 am

Hi Denver,

My name is Martin, and I live in Argentina. I`m telling you this, because like you, is on my plans to build an Abarth 850 TC Gulf.

I read your history, and I can tell you a place where you can find very specific and good information in this site : http://abarthargentina.mforos.com/
The only problem you will get in that place, is they talk (write) in Spanish ,not English. I`m not sure if someone of them are english writers capable. But you will find very useful infromation for each part of the car, and the most important, you will find the differences between the versions. There were like 5 versions of that car : 850TC , 1000TC , 1000TCR, GULF versions, etc...
Even there are people there that builds some specific parts of the engine, of the body, that you will surely need to create a good replica.

As you must know Argentina has a lot of 600D,R and S. And was really common to see in the streets the Abarth preparations.
That was because Argentina was a place where the abaths and Cisitalia cars were produced, and imported.

Cheers.
Martin

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Re: 1962 Fiat 600D advice to Abarth modifications

Postby Denver » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:55 pm

Hello , i did the bodywork , the car was present to the exposition , it`s not finished yet , it is a lil unique , not exactly the abarth kind , i have a problem with photoshop now so i can`t reduce the picture`s size , i hope i will solve it tomorow , and i have an idea , i am thinking of a swap with a 1.4 turbo fiat uno engine , problem is the gearbox , im looking for informations right now . Hello Martin , thank you for the informations , i am willing of taking a trip or two for parts , the only problem remains the money but i will solve that to .
Cheers Alex P.

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Re: 1962 Fiat 600D advice to Abarth modifications

Postby Abarthnorway - Remi L » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:05 am

Hi!


Sound like a really cool idea to put a 130 + hp turbo engine in the rear:-) but rather expensive, time consuming and very dangerous unless a lot of other stuff is done as well:-(....

A cheaper, easier, well proven and reliable option is to buy a decent 1050 cc Autobianchi 70 HP Abarth engine, take it apart and rebuild using good parts. With some headwork and a Fast Road cam, these engines will pull to 8000 rpm easily, and turn out a good 85 HP with the standard intake manifold and carb. Good complete exhaust systems are available to match the engine, and intake manifolds for DCDs and even split intakes for DHLAs/DCOEs are available. If You really want to have a go at it, buy an 8P head and 115 hp is within reach.
When that is done just bolt it to the gearbox and off You go!!!

85 quick horses in a 600 kg car combined with good handling is seriously fun to drive, and these small cars will easily keep up with todays traffic, and even on race tracks against much bigger machinery.


Just an idea....


Best regards

Remi Lovhoiden


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Re: 1962 Fiat 600D advice to Abarth modifications

Postby Guy Croft » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:28 am

Some wise and constructive advice Remi - and I know how many engines you've built so you are speaking from experience..

Turbocharging?

FWIW - Over and over I hear 'bolt on a turbo' as if it were as easy as say, hanging out the washing to dry. It's not. In over 50% (HALF) of cases I hear of where amateurs have attempted to turbocharge their engine - it has been a complete disaster.

When I give advice on turbocharging there is always a 'sharp intake of breath' at the other end of the phone when I list some of the ops and parts needed to make this work. Then there is a 'calibration'....

As I now have stated on the GC 'How To' data sheet for gaskets and bolts.:

Great mysteries of the 21st Century!


“My head gasket has blown,” I am often told.


Apparently it is always the gasket’s fault…

The most common cause of head gasket failure by FAR is DETONATION caused, typically, by over-lean fuelling, wrong ignition timing, and overheating engine/intake air, too much boost, air intake sensor misreading...

Other less common causes are warped head and block, no locating dowels, old bolts, wrong head washers.

Etc etc etc………


Turbocharging petrol engines is fraught with hazard and at every turn there are traps for the unwary. You want to turbocharge? My strong advice is don't...


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